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#23922 - 01/19/04 07:16 PM Re: Scriptural Position on Vegetarianism [Re: chakkar]
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Dear Chakkar, this I found for you regarding eggs in the www. I agree fully with this.

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yours

Hemangaji

PS
please find some eggless recipes below

What is wrong with eggs?
Traditionally, Indian culture has always regarded eggs as
unacceptable for vegetarians. There used to be no question of Brahmins
eating eggs, for example. Those vegetarians who would eat eggs would do so
acknowledging that they were transgressing the ethic of vegetarianism.
Of late, however, this issue has been opened up to interpretation.
Arguments about the very definition of vegetarianism, about the issue of whether and what form of life is contained on an egg., about the rationale behind not consuming eggs, are commonly heard; and bombardment of the general public by falsehoods propagated by the National Egg Co-ordination
Committee-sponsored media have all created an atmosphere where the younger generation is openly revolting against the traditional notion that the egg is non-vegetarian. At such a time of confused values, 'Beauty Without Cruelty' would like to put forward its code of ethics in this matter and remind the readers why eating eggs must be considered completely unacceptable:
A fertile egg carries potential life. In time, it would hatch into a chick. Cases have been known when people breaking an egg into the frying pan have had to see the unmistakable shape of the semi-formed body parts of the
yet-developing life inside splattered on their pan. (One time by brother crack an egg in the frying pan and guess what was seen! => Eggyolk mix with blood. Burg!)
People argue that they eat only unfertilized eggs. It is impossible to identify an unfertilized egg from a fertilized one by looking at it. Besides suppliers of eggs may not be segregating their eggs even if they so take the trouble to identify the fertilized eggs. Retailers might be
stocking eggs from more than one supplier. The consumer cannot claim to be able to spot the unfertilized eggs in such cases. Perhaps the strongest reason for some to avoid eggs is the shocking conditions in which hen are kept on poultry farms for laying eggs. Consuming eggs amounts to supporting such cruel practices for the most trivial purpose
like baking a cake or a most harmful habit life eating omelets regularly for breakfast

more on vegetarism

A lot of the ancient belief on begin a Vegetarian seems to have been based on the fact that plants don't have life. The renowned Indian Scientist Jagadish Chandra Bose proved to the entire world that plants have life, they feel pain, they grow/die and exhibit Phototropism/geotropism etc.,

Full article on him at:
http://www.calcuttaweb.com/people/jcbose.shtml



http://krishna.org/sudarsana/archive/msg00328.html
Yes. It Is Sinful to Kill Plants as Well...

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Subject: Yes. It Is Sinful to Kill Plants as Well...
From: madhudvisa@krishna.org (Madhudvisa dasa )
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 02:13:40 GMT
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pchienjr@uclink.berkeley.edu (Peter C Chien Jr) wrote:

>What a crock of [censored]. I think when you associate your religious beliefs
>with something as secularly practiced as veganism, you turn off a lot of
>people. Including me.

We are definately not vegans! It has been said so many times. And karma is
not a religious belief. It is the same law science is aware of that
states for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. They know
it works when you bounce a ball off the ground, but they don't know the
reaction is also there for all activities. Karma is a fact of life.

> I don't believe in Krishna.

That doesn't matter. I may not believe in the Pacific Ocean but does that
mean the Pacific Ocean doesn't exist?

> Therefore I don't
>believe in your theories. Besides, has it ever occurred to you that
>plants are life forms as well? If you eat them, then you are a
>hypocrite.

Yes. It is sinful to kill plants as well. There are two points here. The
first and most important one is devotees are not cooking for themselves,
we cook for Krishna, so we prepare the foods He likes to eat from grains,
milk products, vegetables and fruits, then we offer them to Him. The
result is prasadam, or Krishna's mercy. So there is no karma involved at
all. Service to Krishna is completely transcendental. So those people who
are vegetarians, but who prepare food for themselves are also not free
from all sinful reactions. Only when the food is prepared with love and
offered to Krishna is it transcendental.

The other point is most vegetarian foods can be collected without killing
the plant. In the case of fruit and many vegetables you just pick the
fruit. It doesn't kill the plant. In other cases (such as grains) the
plant dies after producing the grain and therefore harvesting the grain is
not killing the plant.


>There is this plant called the acacian bush, that upon being
>eaten by an herbivore, secretes ascissic acid, which in turn acts a
>signal to other plants nearby to secrete tannins. Tannins are
>unpalatable compounds to animals. Seems like self-defense to me,
>indicating the possibility of sentience. What do you say to that? The
>only *true* lifeanism in diet is eating fruits and milk and decomposing
>carcasses (like vultures do it).

Yes. Plants are conscious too. There is no difference between the
spirit-soul in a plant and you. You are in human consciousness so you have
a human body, the plant is in plant consciousness so it has a plant
body... You can also take a plant's body and the soul in the plant's body
will gradually evolve through the species of life until it comes to a
human body.

>Madhudvisa dasa (madhudvisa@krishna.org) wrote:

>: only eat meat, they have no choice in the matter. But we can eat meat if
>: we want to, it is an optional thing. The vegetarian diet is much more
>: healthy, that has been established and is admitted by most people.

>: We can consider whether it is right to unnecessairly kill others and eat
>: their flesh. I'm sure I have the digestive enzymes which would make it
>: possible for me to eat and digest your body. But is it a good thing if I
>: kill you just to eat your flesh when there are so many alternatives? These
>: things arc considered by thoughtful people, others, who are no better than
>: animals will go on slaughtering innocent creatures without considering it.

>: The law of karma states that if you act violently towards others that
>: violence will come back on you. We are seeing it in the world at the
>: moment, so much suffering, so many wars, so many problems. But we don't
>: connect it. Many of the problems are directly caused by the unnecessary
>: slaughter of millions of innocent animals.

>: For us, as Hare Krishna's, being vegetarian is not the real question. We
>: are "Krishnatarians". We cook food for Krishna, offer it to Him, and eat
>: the prasadam He leaves. So we want to please Krishna. If you invite
>: someone over to your house and want to please them you will find out what
>: sort of food they like to eat and offer it to them. So Krishna describes
>: what He likes to eat in the Bhagavad-gita, He likes foods in the mode of
>: goodness made from grains, milk products, vegetables and fruits. So we
>: cook what Krishna likes and Krishna doesn't eat meat. So we are
>: vegetarians...

>: "As far as the mode of ignorance is concerned, the performer is
>: without knowledge, and therefore all his activities result in present
>: misery, and afterwards he will go on toward animal life. Animal life is
>: always miserable, although, under the spell of the illusory energy, maya,
>: the animals do not understand this. Slaughtering poor animals is also due
>: to the mode of ignorance. The animal killers do not know that in the
>: future the animal will have a body suitable to kill them. That is the law
>: of nature. In human society, if one kills a man he has to be hanged. That
>: is the law of the state. Because of ignorance, people do not perceive that
>: there is a complete state controlled by the Supreme Lord. Every living
>: creature is a son of the Supreme Lord, and He does not tolerate even an
>: ant's being killed. One has to pay for it. So indulgence in animal killing
>: for the taste of the tongue is the grossest kind of ignorance. A human
>: being has no need to kill animals, because God has supplied so many nice
>: things. If one indulges in meat-eating anyway, it is to be understood that
>: he is acting in ignorance and is making his future very dark. Of all kinds
>: of animal killing, the killing of cows is most vicious because the cow
>: gives us all kinds of pleasure by supplying milk. Cow slaughter is an act
>: of the grossest type of ignorance. In the Vedic literature (Rg Veda
>: 9.4.64) the words gobhih prinita-matsaram indicate that one who, being
>: fully satisfied by milk, is desirous of killing the cow is in the grossest
>: ignorance." (From Srila Prabhupada's purport to Bhagavad-gita 14.6)

>: Chant Hare Krishna and be Happy!



>: Thank you. Hare Krishna!

>: Madhudvisa dasa
>: (madhudvisa@krishna.org) /sudarsana
>:
>: All glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada!
an other one from:
http://www.hindu-religion.net/showflat/cat/hinduism1/26305/1/collapsed/5/o/1
Isn't the killing of plants also violence? 09/13/01 09:17 PM Edit Reply Dear Sri ..., Hare Krishna. Thank you for writing with your questions. quote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------I wish to know the justification for eating vegetables and fruits. These are also living creatures and we are not supposed to take away life. Please let me know. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------The shastras explain that all life subsists by the consumption of other living entities. It is impossible to be nonviolent in this world, as simply to exist we need to take the lives of other living entities. Even without eating, so many ants, insects and bacteria are killed every time we walk or breath. This material world is therefore known as duhkhalayam, the place of suffering. Our very existence is suffering for others; and by the law of karma, those sufferings are later returned to us in full. Thus this world is described as being like a net of illusion. When the fish is caught in a net, the more it struggles to be free, the tighter it is bound in the net. The material world is known by the name 'durga', which literally means 'very difficult to move'. This net of maya has entrapped us, and the more we struggle against it, the more our freedom of movement is restricted. The Bhagavad Gita says: yajnarthat karmano 'nyatraloko 'yam karma-bandhanahtad-artham karma kaunteyamukta-sangah samacara "Activities must be performed as a sacrifice to Vishnu, otherwise all work causes bondage in this material world. Therefore perform your prescribed duties for His satisfaction, and in that way you will always remain free from bondage." Every action we perform has a binding consequence which increases our entanglement in matter. This is the stringent law of karma which keeps us bound in this world. Every step we walk, every breath we take, it is increasing our bondage. Countless living entities are being killed by us without our knowledge. All of this will lead to our own suffering. The only way to become free from this bondage is by performing every action as an offering to God. This is known technically as 'yajna' or 'yaagam'. Those who eat food, even if it is vegetarian, without first offering it as a sacrifice to God, are eating only sin, for so many living entities have been killed in the process. In this connection, Lord Krishna states in the Gita: yajna-shishtashinah santomucyante sarva-kilbishaihbhunjate te tv agham papaye pacanty atma-karanat "The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin." Whatever one eats that is not prepared as an offering to God is sinful, and it will increase one's bondage and suffering through the laws of Karma. Those who are devotees of the Lord, first offer everything to Krishna, and then partake of his remnants. Such an offering of sacrifice frees one from reactions and situates one on the transcendental platform of akarma. karmany akarma yah pashyedakarmani ca karma yahsa buddhiman manushyeshusa yuktah kritsna-karma-krit "One who sees inaction in action, and action in inaction, is intelligent among men, and he is in the transcendental position, although engaged in all sorts of activities." By performing every action as a sacrifice to Krishna one becomes free from all reactions. Though such a devotee is factually engaged in all sorts of activities, he is transcendentally situated and is therefore situated in inaction. One may then question the need for offering only vegetarian foods to Krishna in sacrifice. The scriptures establish which foodstuffs may be offered to God in sacrifice, and Lord Krishna reafirms this in the Bhagavad Gita: patram pushpam phalam toyamyo me bhaktya prayacchatitad aham bhakty-upahritamashnami prayatatmanah "If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, a fruit or water, I will accept it." These are the foodstuffs that Lord Krishna will accept in offering, and even to this day in thousands of temples throughout India these offerings are made everyday to the Lord. Such offerings are factually sacrifice, or yajna, and the devotees are freed from all kinds of bondage by partaking of the remnants, or prasadam. Those who wish to become free from karmic reactions should arrange in their house to offer all of their foodstuffs to Lord Krishna before eating. This will protect you from the sinful reactions involved. The Vedic injunction is mahimsat sarva bhutani, "Do not perform violence to any living entity." In the material world it is impossible to follow this instruction perfectly. We should strive to follow it to the best of our ability, offering all results to the Lord for purification of our imperfections. We should endeavour to cause the least amount of violence to other living entities as we can. Our very existence is violence, so we will not be able to stop violence, but we can consciously act in such a way as to minimize the disturbance we cause to other living entities. Comparitively, more violence is involved in the killing of an animal compared to the killing of a plant. Therefore the scriptures have stipulated that the proper diet for humans is only vegetarian food. Humans are meant to move from the mundane to the spiritual, and as such certain qualities must be developed, such as purity, mercy, compassion, etc. It is impossible to develop these essential qualities while engaging in the merciless slaughter of innocent animals to satisfy our tongues. The scriptures state that only the killer of animals is unable to understand the transcendental message of Lord Krishna. The killer of the animal is not only the hunter or butcher. It includes everyone involved in the process, from the butcher to the one who eats the meat. Such people will not be able to understand the message of Lord Krishna. For them it will not be possible to take to spiritual life, which is everyone's ultimate goal and self-interest: na te viduh svartha gatim hi vishnum. quote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------There is a person called ... who claims he was an RSS worker till he found a reference in the vedas that said that Jesus was the only true prophet and all others were false. He is now a christian and is propogating this. Any comments? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------There is no reference to Jesus in the Vedas. There is a single reference to him found in the Bhavishya Purana, which states his mission was to establish dharma. The Vedas never say there is only one prophet. On the contrary the Vedas establish that there are unlimited saints, rishis, yogis, drashtas, and avataras, who all come to reestablish the principles of religion: ekam sad vipra bahudha vadanti "There is one Absolute Truth, but the learned speak of Him in various ways." This is the conclusion of the Vedas. quote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------I have been asked by some Christian priests that while they have proof of the existence of Jesus Christ do we have proof of ther existence of Krishna? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Whether there is proof of the existence of Christ or not is a subject of debate. In America there are many scholars who have shown evidence that this assertation is false. I am not saying there never was such a personality, but that belief in him depends on one's faith. Christ existed only 2,000 years ago, whereas Lord Krishna existed 5,000 years ago. We have countless saints whose existence has been established by history and archeology. Saints such as Adi Shankara, Ramanuja, Madhva, Nimbarka, Vishnuswami, etc. In addition to this there is proof of many divine incarnations such as Lord Krishna (5,000 years ago), Lord Buddha (2,500 years ago), and Sri Krishna Chaitanya (500 years ago). There is no lack of evidence. Let us keep in mind the antiquity of Lord Krishna. He was present on earth 5,000 years ago. In the Christian tradition this would compare to the dates of Adam and Eve. Where is the proof that such personalities existed? There is absolutely none. But for Lord Krishna there is ample proof. His city of Dwaraka, beneath the sea, is being studied by archeologists even today. Hastinapura is still existing as an active and living city. The inscriptions and engravings of countless kings establish the existence of Lord Krishna. In other cultures of the world, where is the proof for individual people existing prior to 5,000 years ago? Where is the proof for Adam and Eve? It does not exist. Hinduism is a dynamic religion that continues to reestablish itself through divine descent (avatara). We need not look for proof beyond the incarnation of the Lord. Sri Krishna Chaitanya has appeared 500 years ago, and his life and teachings have been thoroughly documented by the saints of his time. If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask. Yours in service, Jahnava Nitai Das,Bhaktivedanta Ashram




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#23923 - 01/19/04 11:59 PM Re: Scriptural Position on Vegetarianism [Re: Hemangaji]
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I am trying to cut out eggs from my diet, but it isn't easy. I don't eat eggs plain but they sometimes are mixed in typical American foods. I posted a question in the "Options for Vegetarians" forum. Do you have any advice on how to start cutting out eggs from my diet? I'm also concerned about staying healthy, because how am I going to get the B-12 vitamin if I don't eat any eggs or meat? I haven't had meat for 8 months, but if I cut out eggs, will this required vitamin also end up being cut out? Please reply, thanks. Namaste. ~Shaivite~

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#23924 - 01/20/04 02:50 AM Re: Scriptural Position on Vegetarianism [Re: Shaivite]
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Quote:

I haven't had meat for 8 months, but if I cut out eggs, will this required vitamin also end up being cut out?




Wise to consider that, Shaivite. Vitamin B-12 deficiency (sp?) has been found in people diagnosed with clinical depression, whatever that is. (I know what depression is, but I don't know why they call it "clinical")

Some vegetarian foods such as mushrooms, whole grains, and dark green leafy vegetables like spinach, are loaded with b-vitamins. But eat the spinach fresh, as in salad, or gently steamed not cooked... or the vitamins will be destroyed.
And no more ceaser dressing!
Try a really good herbed vinegar and olive oil shaken together and sprinkled on.... mmmmmmm and some cracked wheat bread. I'm serving this (the spinach salad with herbed vinegar dressing) for shabbat this week, with whole-wheat challah.
There may be lots of other vegetarian foods rich in b vitamins too,... I'll look for a nutrition chart of some kind...a vegetarian one would be nice...

bon apetite!




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#23925 - 01/20/04 07:41 AM Re: Scriptural Position on Vegetarianism [Re: marik]
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Thanks for the suggestions, Marik. I do eat many of the vegetables or foods that you say are rich in B-vitamins. I also don't eat ceasar salad anymore. Namaste. ~Shaivite~

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#23926 - 01/26/04 01:46 AM Re: Scriptural Position on Vegetarianism [Re: Shaivite]
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Quote:

I am trying to cut out eggs from my diet, but it isn't easy. I don't eat eggs plain but they sometimes are mixed in typical American foods. I posted a question in the "Options for Vegetarians" forum. Do you have any advice on how to start cutting out eggs from my diet? I'm also concerned about staying healthy, because how am I going to get the B-12 vitamin if I don't eat any eggs or meat? I haven't had meat for 8 months, but if I cut out eggs, will this required vitamin also end up being cut out? Please reply, thanks. Namaste. ~Shaivite~





It is a misconception that vitamin B-12 can only be found in meat and eggs. In fact, the traditional Indian lacto-vegetarian diet has ample B-12.

Actually, nutritional B-12 deficiency is associated with a vegan diet, not a lacto-vegetarian diet. Usually it takes several years for this to develop because of the body's B-12 stores.
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#23927 - 01/26/04 09:11 AM Re: Scriptural Position on Vegetarianism [Re: krishna_susarla]
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Thanks for the information, Krishna. I may decide to take the vitamin B-12 supplement anyway, as I don't think it could hurt. While I am now taking an effort to reduce and hopefully eliminate egg eating, I am also interested in becoming a vegan at some point. I do not agree with the way cows are exploited in our modern-day societies. So, I will gradually work up to becoming a stricter vegetarian, but it just takes time. Apparently, according to American standards I am a strict vegetarian. Who cares about the labels, though. I am doing what I can to avoid himsa to animals and the environment and for some spiritual benefit as well. Namste. ~Shaivite~

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#23928 - 03/08/04 11:37 PM Re: Scriptural Position on Vegetarianism [Re: Shaivite]
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Thanks for the information, Krishna. I may decide to take the vitamin B-12 supplement anyway, as I don't think it could hurt. While I am now taking an effort to reduce and hopefully eliminate egg eating, I am also interested in becoming a vegan at some point. I do not agree with the way cows are exploited in our modern-day societies. So, I will gradually work up to becoming a stricter vegetarian, but it just takes time. Apparently, according to American standards I am a strict vegetarian. Who cares about the labels, though. I am doing what I can to avoid himsa to animals and the environment and for some spiritual benefit as well. Namste. ~Shaivite~





There is no question of "trying" or "taking time." It can be done the instant you want to do it. Meats and eggs do not have addictive properties. We aren't talking about narcotics here.

Some people feel that becoming vegetarian makes them more religious. In fact, vegetarianism is a sub-religious principle. It is not that being Hindu requires being a vegetarian. On the contrary, just being a civilized human being requires being vegetarian (subject to the exceptions mentioned in shaastra - i.e. the occasional, properly performed, animal sacrifice - none of which are scripturally authorized for performance in Kali Yuga anyway).

One should not be proud of being vegetarian or "trying to be" vegetarian. This is a basic principle of civilized Aryan behavior. Of course, pride in general is not a good thing. But here the tendency to mistake one thing (vegetarianism) for another (spiritual life) is pronounced and should be corrected. Still, I suppose even that isn't as bad as those who eat meat and still consider themselves "spiritual," what to speak of those who eat "beef" and still consider themselves religious.

About 10 years ago, a local Hindu Students Council officer at University of Houston ridiculed ISKCON for its uncompromising stance on cow protection. Of course, since that same HSC officer was a regular at McDonalds, no one took his self-righteous "Hindu" ranting seriously.


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#23930 - 03/09/04 10:44 AM Re: Scriptural Position on Vegetarianism [Re: krishna_susarla]
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Meat, drink or certain meds can be addictive. People in USA may eat meat five times in a day! If you tell them to stop it, they may get violent. It is like withdrawl symptom/s. What makes the meat or some drinks addictive? ANU PRAKRITIC gunas built in. They are really passed down from many generations to each one of us. Hindus may be addicted to the idea or obsessed w an idea, only Vegetarianism is non-addictive! LOL:) I have seen and talked my In-laws who believe that people who don't need to do hard or long hours of physical labor do not require too much of high proteins or too much of calories! And the only way to do that is to take vegetables and grains of all kinds, according to them!
and I agree. BUT I am not goiing to judge someone to be addicted unless that something consumes that person's life!
so, go figure! Who is addicted to Masala curries and who is addicted to meats! It is all cultural relativism!

People may want to consume whatever is compatible to thier metabolism only. Food is for your prakritic based body, mind, intellect and memories only. Food is NOT for ATMAN within you. ATMAN does not require any food or drink to sustain ATMANSELF. Why? ATMAN is not destroyable by any means. ATMAN transmigrates once your body cells die and disintegrate.
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#23931 - 03/16/04 07:57 PM Scriptural Position on Vegetarianism [Re: S_HariKrishna]
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This is from Sikhi scripture.

When the Guru visited Kurukshetra in Haryana, a big fair was being held at the holy tank to celebrate the solar eclipse. There were a large number of pilgrims all over the country. On his arrival at the fair, Guru Nanak had Mardana cook them a meat dish of a deer presented to them by one of his followers. Upon finding that meat was being cooked on the holy premises, a large angry crowd gathered in anger to attack the Guru for what they thought amounted to sacrilege (Bhai Mani Singh, Gyan Ratnavali, pg. 123). Upon hearing the angry crowd Guru Nanak responded;

"Only fools argue whether to eat meat or not. They don't understand truth nor do they meditate on it. Who can define what is meat and what is plant? Who knows where the sin lies, being a vegetarian or a non- vegetarian?" (Malhar)
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